So it is okay for Mank to read thousands of threads, but he does not want any other jw lurker to do the same? He does not want anyone to wake up and feel uncomfortable, just stay in the drug like haze of delusion. I honestly think this is someone using a google translate job from Japan, it sounds like someone desperate to hang onto what he has paid so much into over the years. SAD, sad, sad.
chicken little
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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice
by mankkeli inon this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.
for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.
what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.
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Im disfellowshipped
by newcomer1982 inthink it was announced yesterday that im disfellowshipped.
will these feelings of guilt and panic ever go away?
my head is so messed up.
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chicken little
You are experiencing feelings that must be overwhelming. Your guilt is not founded on anything solid, it is a result of your parents choice to shun you. They should feel guilt. Your child comes first now and you need to seek out people that will support you and listen to you. Do you have any free counseling services in town? Otherwise contact your doctor and have a chat about the situation and also go to your childs school and speak with the teachers in case they see any unusual behaviour.
Keep positive, you are taking steps to regaining your life and helping your child to have freedom. I wish you all the best, keep posting on here and share your pain. Smile and wave at anyone who shuns you, then keep walking with your head high and a smile on your face.
Hugs
Chicken little
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My Father passed away during the night
by jwfacts indad was a great man, great, despite the religion.
he was powerful, tall and intelligent, yet humble and kind.
he was an introvert, and a circuit overseer.
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So sorry for your loss, hope you have the strength to hold your head high and be there for your Dad today and not let anyone get under your skin. I admire your love and regard for your Dad, he was of the old school. There are few like him left, I am glad you made your peace with him before died.
Hugs to you
Chicken little
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How do i overcome this guilt and fear?
by newcomer1982 inive recently decided not to be a witness anymore and at the age of 28 was still so afraid to tell my parents.
the truth is their life and knew i would hurt them.
ive had such a battle with the elders and because my dad is an elder its even worse.
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Welcome to the board, my son was born in 1983 and he was the first in our family to wake up to the fact that it was not "truth". He was sixteen and it was so hard for us to deal with. My husband was an elder and we had a younger daughter. It took another eight years before we were all out including our youngest son who is now 10.
I had bad feelings for so long while I was in, coming out was a relief and my husband following me was so important. I can only suggest that you give yourself time, reassure your family of your love for them; do not explain too much. Tell them you need time to think things through and that it is between you and Jehovah, they find it hard to argue against this statement. Tell them your bible trained conscience is bothering you and you need to study alone to sort things out. I used this tactic and it worked in the sense that we were left alone and have not been disfellowshipped or shunned by the majority.
The guilt and fear subsides when you realize that you have been under a form of mind control, I proved this by experimenting just before I left the congregation. One meeting I talked for a few minutes with some sister about Jesus, I mentioned his name five or six times in a few sentences and spoke of how he would handle things today. The looks on the faces of those sisters was one of uneasiness as if I had become born again or something odd like that. The next meeting I spoke with the same sisters and kept mentioning the faithful and discreet slave and the organization says this, and that....they did not blink an eye, they were relaxed and accepting of what I said. It really scared me because I could see plainly that they were only comfortable if it was from the organization and not so much Jesus. I stopped going the next week and have never been back.
I did read the King James version of the bible following my departure and after six months of research I no longer felt the need to check up or study any more. I was free.
Best wishes to you and your family, hope it turns out fine for you, my motto is "be true to yourself", anything else is just living a lie.Chicken little
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ten toes OH we dont really know what the hell were talking about WE JUST NEED U TO KEEP BUSY AND OBEY AND MAKE US MONEY THOUGH YOUR DONATIONS OR THOSE U CONVERT
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Sounded like the beginning of a little ditty; them toes them toes them ten toes!
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World Destruction
by Maze ini remember an alternative song released in the 1980's.. .
nothing has changed since then for the better, only for the worse.
will humanity bring the world to a permanent end if divine intervention wasn't a factor to take into consideration?
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chicken little
Well personally I think the destruction of the dinasours counts much higher on the cataclysmic scale than anything you point out. Then comes the Bubonic Plague...then the widespread famine in the aftermath of the Laki volcano in 1768, but hej we were not around then so everything is soooo worse today. Check out life expectancy charts from the last couple of hundred years and see what you find out. Better still go onto a charity site like the Red Cross and see just what advances are being made even in areas that have been viewed as "behind".
What gets me is that humans only see what they want to see; if you want to see death and destruction you will find it everywhere, just look at the animal kingdom first. If you want to see positive advances; you will find them, get involved with a charity or a fundraising project.
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We live on a planet that is full of hot spots and constantly in movement. Google Laki volcano eruption in 1783 if you really want end days scenario...people back then reported the blood red skies for one, the ash clouds caused widespread crop failures all over the world resulting in massive famine. Ireland, Scotland, Norway had poison gas from the clouds. 10,000 islanders died from the gases. In Japan the rice harvest failed and there was a terrible famine, towns in Alaska were decimated from famine. The french revolution sprang from the results of the terrible famine resulting from this eruption. So please do not say it is soooo much worse now. We have no idea what nature can throw at us.
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PO's were not listening to the special day program. Why I wonder?
by life is to short inplease do not judge me for going last weekend to the one day that my husband had.. i truly did not mean to even attend but at the last minute i thought if my husband goes in by himself he never sees any of the stupid points they bring out, so i dressed in one of my not so meeting skirts and a top that was very comfortable and thought i would go to starbuks when it got too much for me to handle.
i lasted about 45 minutes.. first we got there late, my fault and my husband went to use the bathroom before we found seats so i sat back and watched.. there the table that they always have in he hallway and one lone po sitting at it by himself manning it.
my husband came out and we found seats.
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You poor thing I do not think I could have got my foot over the threshold let alone sit and listen. My husband used to be busy doing lots of other things at the assemblies and he volunteered for the firstaid section and would sit outside in the sun when there was no one around. I on the other hand had to sit with the kids and make them listen. He admits now that he had the easy deal, after some years I had a serious depression and I would go and book my self into a restroom which we had at our complex for the old and sick. There were two beds with a door that slid shut but could not lock and headphones to listen to the talks. I just pulled the blanket over me and was out for the count until the lunchbreak. Same after lunch, I got through a few years of assemblies like that and it was my husbands turn to look after the little one. I found out he went for lots of walks around the grounds and drinks etc, to make it through the day.
As to the miracles...I just call that kindness that true friends would not need to boast about. I have helped many people in the past and never gave it as an experience, I have also received food and other things unexpectedly when we needed help but I can see that that is not a unique Jw thing, loads of people do it.
My husband has just become a samaritan for the Red Cross and he said that the amount of self sacrifice he has met among the people he works with, who volunteer their time and energy to help others, it is just amazing and they are very humble people that do not blow their trumpets about what they do.
Well I hope your Starbucks coffee cheered you up and maybe a stiff drink after you got home.
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Prayers for my daughter, Ali, not a good update
by coffee_black inmy last update on my daughter was so good...but it didn't turn out that way.
she was cleared to go back to work, but with limitations... she couldn't lift more than 10 pounds.
her employer wanted her back but wouldn't agree to the lifting restriction.
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So sorry Coffee Black, do hope that she gets well enough for the operation, much love and best wishes to you all.
Hugs chicken little
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The classic features of a JW wedding are:
by highdose infirstly a wedding/sales talk that mostly features heavily on how the woman should behave (hint, doormat) and lightly brushes over the fact of the husbands bevhaviour ( oh yeah he should treat her well).
the reception normaly at some crummy comunity hall with yellowed ceilings and chucks of damp plaster falling off the walls.
the seats normaly arranged facing eachother all around the edge, so that theres a huge unused space in the middle and everyone is climbing over everyone elses legs to get to their chair.. a big spread donated by everyone, normaly an ode to food poisoning.
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Poor gifts! I have attended scores of weddings and that is the one thing that I have noticed that stands out as different from "worldly weddings", they think that a cheap present is good enough, and that is not because they do not have the money but they just don't think it is important to give an appropriate gift for the occasion.
The most skinflint wedding I attended was where my daughter was asked to be the only bridesmaid. We paid for her dress and shoes and flowers ourselves and when she arrived at the snack reception after the photos were taken all the food was already gone, eaten by the guests that did not wait for the bridal party. The evening meal was for family and close friends and she was not invited but told that she could come later for the dancing. That poor girl sat at home in her dress waiting for a phone call from her dad, who was serving at the meal for the family, telling her that we could drive out for the dancing. At midnight I told her to go change because they were obviously not going to call so late. I was furious for her sake and vowed never to let her be a bridesmaid for a witness wedding again. Scrooges.